An argument for the existence of God?

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I was spurred on recently by some comments left by a couple of self-proclaimed atheists in my article on a bus advertising campaign. I also wrote recently about a great site named GotQuestions.org, which answers peoples’ questions about the Bible. A great question answered is: Is there an argument for the existence of God?

Well, the answer is rather lengthy, and have included the first part below. If you would like to continue reading th article, click on the link afterwords…

Answer: The question of whether there is a conclusive argument for the existence of God has been debated throughout history, with exceedingly intelligent people taking both sides of the dispute. In recent times, arguments against the possibility of God’s existence have taken on a militant spirit that accuses anyone daring to believe in God as being delusional and irrational. Karl Marx asserted that anyone believing in God must have a mental disorder that caused invalid thinking. The psychiatrist Sigmund Freud wrote that a person who believed in a Creator God was delusional and only held their beliefs due to a ‘wish fulfillment’ factor that produced what Freud considered to be their unjustifiable position. The philosopher Frederick Nietzsche bluntly said that faith equates to not wanting to know what is true… [read more]

Did you read the article? Would you show it to an atheist friend? I’d like to hear your thoughts on the matter…

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15 thoughts on “An argument for the existence of God?”

  1. Kirk
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    So if we follow the logic of the argument in the article we get:-

    1. atheists cannot prove there is no god = god exists
    2. we cannot explain what started the universe = god exists
    3. the bible gives us some info that fits our model = our god exists and the followers of all the other religions are wrong

    I am an agnostic as I surely cannot prove there isn’t a god but there is no way the logic of this article would make me believe there is one either.

    Those of us with an open mind keep our eyes, ears and mind open to better understand the universe. Unlike either side of this argument we don’t “know” we have all the answers.

  2. Andrew Kelsall
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    @Kirk

    Psalm 14 | 1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”

  3. Skysofly
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    I’m glad to see that you’re a Christian bro!

  4. You-Young Kim
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    re: Kirk

    Hi~ good points.

    I guess the main concern is that many arguments made by philosophers that go along the lines of, “Irrational thinking leads to belief in God” are unfair, for everyone else has to concede that they don’t fully comprehend the universe themselves. And we forget often that we can perfectly reason within fallacies, and this can go in all sorts of directions, as you state.

    I think, though, if we wait for the exact logical, rational proof of God, we will wait forever. At best, we can present the belief in God as reasonable as anything else. It’s kind of like offering a logical proof for someone that my uncle exists and is alive (much less is good, kind, whatever). Somewhere the evidence falls short of that person believing, and no evidence can match the person whom I’m trying to convince having a real relationship with my uncle.

    There is a need for a leap of faith. It’s trust that God is real, that he exists, and that he is perfect, moral, just, etc. It may be a bigger leap of faith than believing that a trillion one-dollar bills exists, but for some, believing in the big bang theory, etc are just as big leaps of faith.

    Lastly, believing firmly that there is a God does not exclude someone from embodying open-mindedness. For instance, I don’t believe I fully understand God. I don’t try (ok, sometimes I do) to fit the idea of God into some mold that I have preconceived, like if God existed, a b c would be and a b c would be ok and not a big deal, and when you die a b c happens, not l m n o p. I keep my ears and mind open, my heart and its motives in question and in check, to better understand the heart of God. I don’t have all the answers, but that doesn’t preclude an existence of a being that is just, infinite, and good, nor does that occlude him from revealing himself to us. Open-mindedness isn’t exclusive to the state of uncertainty, and trust and relationships can override the absence of absolute logical proofs of a being and bring one into the state of certainty or “knowing.”

  5. Andrew Kelsall
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    @Skysofly → Yeah, there are a few of us in the UK 😉

    @You-Young Kim → Thanks for responding to Kirk’s comment. Yeah, a leap of faith is required, but as Romans 1:20 states:

    For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    So, the leap of faith is only a secondary-step in a belief in God who is self-evident through His creation in the first place; the way I see it.

    Thanks again for contributing 🙂

  6. You-Young Kim
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    good verse! thanks for the reminder. 🙂

  7. quedula
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    The linked article is full of logical fallacies.

  8. EnriqueG
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    Old post I know but I’m up for a debate, it’s been a while since my last one. With all respect, I’m not a fighting person, it just find fun to debate, hope you follow 🙂

    We can not prove that god does not exist. As much as you can not prove god exists.

    But that’s the beauty of it right? God wants you to believe in him/it/she, right? She/it/he doesn’t want you to know, believe is just fine.

    Well, not for me. I either know or don’t know. Like do or do not, not betweeners.

    “I guess the main concern is that many arguments made by philosophers that go along the lines of, “Irrational thinking leads to belief in God” are unfair, for everyone else has to concede that they don’t fully comprehend the universe themselves.”

    Indeed, the only difference is that some of us do not even care about comprehending the universe and that’s fine. People often have created gods in order to explain whatever they don’t understand, I say, I don’t understand and is fine, if I understand it someday fine, if not, fine as well. I don’t know and I know it, which is better than not knowing and inclining to whatever option “feels” best.

    I won’t tell you there is no god because I don’t know, but not knowing doesn’t make me believe, I don’t need to believe in something and I have no problem with ignorance. I have problem with people who denies ignorance based on assumptions of what could or couldn’t be.

    And you do follow so far, right?

    Regards,

    PS: I really enjoy your work mr. Kelsall, keep it coming!

  9. Andrew Kelsall
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    @EnriqueG → God has already proven his existence by the evidence of his creation. Read more on this in Romans 1:19 onwards: http://www.esvonline.org/search/romans+1%3A19/

    I can remember a comic I recently saw where both an atheist and Christian are looking at a fossilised dinosaur head, with the Christian thinking “this is great evidence for Creation” and the atheist thinking “this is great evidence for Evolution”.

    The point I am trying to make is this: debates can go on and on; indeed, books have been written on the subject on whether or not God exists, and “what is the right one”.

    The Bible is clear that people who except Jesus as the Son of God do so because they are first called by Him—and their hearts are drawn to Him. Anyone who truly seeks God will find Him.

    The question is this: are you truly seeking God, or just seeking to debate?

    Thanks for the comment; you’re always welcome 🙂

    PS: Recommended reading: http://www.gotquestions.org/Does-God-exist.html

  10. EnriqueG
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    I’m seeking to debate of course! And thanks for doing so with me 🙂 I missed it.

    And of course, anyone looking for god will find him, as anyone looking for the number 27 will find it, 27 steps from your housedoor to the corner, 27 on the phone number or birthday of people you meet, 27 on the graffittis you see, whatever you want to find you’ll find it.

    That’s how mind works and that’s why people come to believe not only in god but in the loch ness monster as well or in Elvis or in the cookie monster if they wanted to (all hail the cookie monster!).

    The bible doesn’t really proves much… well, talking historically, the oldest writing record of jesus was of 100 years after it’s supossed death, most of them are from 200 or 300 years later and most of them are not accurate at all, did you know there’s no way Jesus could have been crucified? Mainly because back then only roman citizens were hanged (from hands) in a pole (not cross form), crucifixion dates from the same years of the firsts writing records of his life (a few hundred years after) and even then not everyone was selected to be crucified. No matter what Mel Gibson wanted us to believe.

    The comic you mention proves only that all things are man-made, one man can look at the moon and think and say it is part of god, while other can say it is part of a moon deity and other can come and say what a beautiful football it is and the funny part of it all is that all are right.

    I know you are smart person there’s no way I will make you doubt because probably you, as me, have heard it all regarding the existence (or non-existence) of your god (or of my cookie monster deity creator of all things including but not limited to lors and oreo) and by all means I don’t want you to think that that’s my goal, thank you for allowing me to remember some of my earlier years with this little debate, may god bless your path.

    It’s funny how there is no true in human’s mind, right? and I love it 🙂

    Regards!

  11. Andrew Kelsall
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    @EnriqueG → The trouble is, finding number 27 doesn’t get you eternal life in Heaven with our Creator.

    The Bible is 100% accurate; containing a large percentage of prophesy, with 99% of the prophesy already come to pass and 100% correct.

    At the end of the day, Enrique, debating may get you nowhere. Debates can, and will, go on and on. My only advice to you is to read the Bible (with the best place to start, the Gospels in the New testament). Truly ask and God to aid you in your search for truth. Truly ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you with all sincerity.

  12. EnriqueG
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    I’m pretty sure it does, is my magic number and I know it will get me eternal life in heaven with the cookie monster.

    Now are you certain that is 100% accurate? Have you the time to study it along with other historical (100% accurate) texts to compare?

    In my teenage years I commit a few of them to find innacuracies in the bible, I got a few hundred pages document from it. From mistranslations (did you know, for instance that Satan comes from Sathan which means enemy which comes from Set-hen one of the formal names of the egyptian God Set? Or that Lucifer only means Morning Star?) to contradictions to no mention of the cookie monster?

    I already gave up debating on my last message, I thought it was clear, yet you felt the need to say “no” to the things I was telling you even when there was no really need to. You still need to tell yourself that what you believe is true and that is ok, that’s how our minds work, we need to constantly reasure ourselves that everything we believe is true. Otherwise most will simply fall into depression and we don’t want that.

    I have read the bible, I love a lot of it, I have read it’s catholic, christian and mormon version, I have study Budhism and Taoism and I have gone so far to read “Satanic texts” and other rarities, I love truth, every single text or information that comes my way I verify it, it’s ok you believe in what you believe, I just wanted to debate a little, I know it will take me nowhere because I have done and heard all you said to me so far, but still is fun.

    Don’t you find it fun? Probably it’s because I love to talk, to really talk, yet people rarely listens, most people only talk about the weather or the game or the family or the politics without really even trying to make it interesting and I get bored easily.

    Yet I respect your beliefs, your creed, your God and I’m glad that people like you defend their beliefs with such a passion that really makes me want to debate.

    With my best regards, my friend.

  13. Sompopo
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    You cannot prove a negative so therefor the burdon of proof is on the believer.

    While your boat is sinking, you can pray all you want, but you better keep rowing towards shore.

  14. Andrew Kelsall
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    EnriqueG → We all have the right to choose what we believe. Ultimately, is is God Himself who draws the believer to Him.

    I would like you to believe the Bible in it’s entirety; I hope your studies lead you more towards the truth.

    You’re welcome to debate on this blog anytime 🙂

    Sompopo → If I’m on a sinking boar, then yours must already be at the depths of the ocean. I prey that you open your heart towards God. Why not start to read the Gospels in the Bible?

    See: Online Bible

  15. EnriqueG
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    Thank you Andrew, you can debate on domains I usually visit more often as well, here:

    http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/

    Where you can find smart people from pretty much any type of religion discussing, debating or just talking.

    And thank you for your good wishes, however I simply can’t believe in anything, my own soul asks me for proofs that are outside myself all the time, proofs I can touch or otherwise try out. Yet, once again, thank you.

    Best of wishes to you too. May you find gOd in everything you do.